With the exception of their public stances on a handful of civil rights issues, the national Democratic party is indistinguishable from Never Trump Republicans and has been since at least Clinton.
The Democrats need to get their messaging in order. But the truth is these Lincoln Project ads are the best thing going for Biden. Sorry. Suck it up.
We need to get the reluctant Trump voter to vote for Biden. I'm not in love with the people behind this thing. However, Joe isn't going to save us but beating Trump like a drum is the only way we invalidate Trumpism.
Whoa, Mr. Mirkinson, please relax a little. TLP is a group of lawyers creating ads to convince Trumpers to change sides. They are also using ads to enrage Trump, all of which are rhetorical tactics and strategies. Drink some cold water and simmer down, little SJW. I don't want you to pop a blood vessel in your eye over nothing. In rhetoric, all strategies can be used, which is what is being done here by the TLP. Furthermore, they are using rhetorical tropes and figures that will hopefully get through the to the Trumpers. TLP literally does not care about you or the Democrats that are already supporting Biden. They have not a care about what you think about racism or fascism or Trump, so take it easy. Let the Trumpers and Trump become enraged because that is the point.
No fan of TLP but it doesn't seem to me they were making any claim that Trump's "white power" rt had anything to do with Putin. The point is that Trump reflexively reacts to crises by manufacturing another.
This isn't even close to the first time that he's RT some nazi nutjobs and taken over consecutive news cycles because of it. To suggest that he did so intentionally to distract from an issue that could actually reach his base isn't a wide eyed conspiracy theory, it's highly plausible.
Love hearing progressives and Democrats who keep getting their ass beat tell people what to do. At least these guys are doing something other than talk. You all didn't get Bernie's votes, you can talk about rigging but he always got millions of votes less...where the fuck were you and the youth and all of that? Not doing SHIT.
They know there's not a TON of persuadable voters. They're going after the ones who might be. Trump won because of 80,000 votes in a few counties. That was the ballgame. Move a few numbers that could change things.
And frankly, I was listening to a podcast that had Rick Wilson on and they're not doing stuff to only delight the converted. They're going after Mitch McConnell hard...why? No way he's going to lose, right? But now what he's doing since he controls the cash is using way more of it on himself and pulling money out of actual competitive districts where Democrats may beat vulnerable Republicans. Sorry kids, that's real strategy and I NEVER hear Democrats really getting in the weeds and talking for real about how to beat Republicans. So until you can show that you know what you're doing, stop fucking whining.
The real question is what's going to happen once Trump leaves the White House? Are the Daily Kos libs going to keep fawning over people like Bill Kristol?
The old school blogger Driftglass always has been on the money w/these ppl. Never trumpers should be used and discarded the second the election is over. They get zero seats at any table.
The Left needs to remember and not just immediately flush the trump obscenities right down the rabbit hole like we did, largely, with Bush and his crimes.
I think I'd be somewhat more sympathetic to this if it seemed effective. The whole pitch for the Lincoln Projects is that a group of strategists and operatives who grossly misunderstood the character of their party in 2016 are now going to rally the sensible core of that same party to action. But the only people who seem compelled by these ads are producers on Morning Joe and people who used to retweet the Krassensteins. It's an expensive distraction.
I'm kind of conflicted on this one...on the one hand, these guys started this kind of campaigning (if there was a smarter Republican President in office currently doing many of the same things, sans overt white supremacy nods, would they be fine with it? My guess is yes); on the other hand, these ads have been good and if you are late to the party, do we mind here? Anything to take this guy out of office.
But I get where you are coming from in this article too...great to have your Lincoln guys on board, now let's get to work on Medicare For All, Green New Deal, Defunding Police...how happy are they then?
With the exception of their public stances on a handful of civil rights issues, the national Democratic party is indistinguishable from Never Trump Republicans and has been since at least Clinton.
Yes, god forbid we invite non-progressive-approved others into the Biden camp. Who says we can't squander our current solid lead in swing states?
The Democrats need to get their messaging in order. But the truth is these Lincoln Project ads are the best thing going for Biden. Sorry. Suck it up.
We need to get the reluctant Trump voter to vote for Biden. I'm not in love with the people behind this thing. However, Joe isn't going to save us but beating Trump like a drum is the only way we invalidate Trumpism.
Whoa, Mr. Mirkinson, please relax a little. TLP is a group of lawyers creating ads to convince Trumpers to change sides. They are also using ads to enrage Trump, all of which are rhetorical tactics and strategies. Drink some cold water and simmer down, little SJW. I don't want you to pop a blood vessel in your eye over nothing. In rhetoric, all strategies can be used, which is what is being done here by the TLP. Furthermore, they are using rhetorical tropes and figures that will hopefully get through the to the Trumpers. TLP literally does not care about you or the Democrats that are already supporting Biden. They have not a care about what you think about racism or fascism or Trump, so take it easy. Let the Trumpers and Trump become enraged because that is the point.
No fan of TLP but it doesn't seem to me they were making any claim that Trump's "white power" rt had anything to do with Putin. The point is that Trump reflexively reacts to crises by manufacturing another.
This isn't even close to the first time that he's RT some nazi nutjobs and taken over consecutive news cycles because of it. To suggest that he did so intentionally to distract from an issue that could actually reach his base isn't a wide eyed conspiracy theory, it's highly plausible.
Love hearing progressives and Democrats who keep getting their ass beat tell people what to do. At least these guys are doing something other than talk. You all didn't get Bernie's votes, you can talk about rigging but he always got millions of votes less...where the fuck were you and the youth and all of that? Not doing SHIT.
They know there's not a TON of persuadable voters. They're going after the ones who might be. Trump won because of 80,000 votes in a few counties. That was the ballgame. Move a few numbers that could change things.
And frankly, I was listening to a podcast that had Rick Wilson on and they're not doing stuff to only delight the converted. They're going after Mitch McConnell hard...why? No way he's going to lose, right? But now what he's doing since he controls the cash is using way more of it on himself and pulling money out of actual competitive districts where Democrats may beat vulnerable Republicans. Sorry kids, that's real strategy and I NEVER hear Democrats really getting in the weeds and talking for real about how to beat Republicans. So until you can show that you know what you're doing, stop fucking whining.
The real question is what's going to happen once Trump leaves the White House? Are the Daily Kos libs going to keep fawning over people like Bill Kristol?
The old school blogger Driftglass always has been on the money w/these ppl. Never trumpers should be used and discarded the second the election is over. They get zero seats at any table.
The Left needs to remember and not just immediately flush the trump obscenities right down the rabbit hole like we did, largely, with Bush and his crimes.
No quarter.
I think I'd be somewhat more sympathetic to this if it seemed effective. The whole pitch for the Lincoln Projects is that a group of strategists and operatives who grossly misunderstood the character of their party in 2016 are now going to rally the sensible core of that same party to action. But the only people who seem compelled by these ads are producers on Morning Joe and people who used to retweet the Krassensteins. It's an expensive distraction.
I'm kind of conflicted on this one...on the one hand, these guys started this kind of campaigning (if there was a smarter Republican President in office currently doing many of the same things, sans overt white supremacy nods, would they be fine with it? My guess is yes); on the other hand, these ads have been good and if you are late to the party, do we mind here? Anything to take this guy out of office.
But I get where you are coming from in this article too...great to have your Lincoln guys on board, now let's get to work on Medicare For All, Green New Deal, Defunding Police...how happy are they then?